second phase pearl harbour was succed....thanks bush

Aw, c'mon. People are still spouting that crap? It's time to take off the tin foil hats, people. Seriously.

balle,

I'm exactly sure what you mean by "Thanks Bush" or to be honest the entire quote. I sincerely hope you aren't trying to blame Former President Bush for 9/11. Or maybe you are just a USA hater, not sure.

Never forget...

my birthday is on 9-11. it sucks.

Picture 7 shows steel vaporizing, how dey do dat?

9/11 was an inside job. There is a growing petition of former/current government officials, FBI, CIA, and others demanding a full inquiry...... 911truth.org

Cows are purple.
The moon is made of cheese.
Radios have tiny people playing music inside of them.


Anybody can state nonsense as a "fact".


How dey do what? Knock the towers down? Terrorists flew two giant airliners into them. It was on the news and everything!

jasonx - I'm sure you have come to your conclusion, like many others without doing any research. That actually takes some mental effort.

The petition on 911.org isn't comprised of scientoligists and other crackpots... these are true patriots that have given of t heir lives to protect their country. But hey, your opinion supercedes a combined 1000 years of insiders and government service representing the petition.

STFU! Jimmy Johnson and get back in your Lowe's Nascar you conspiracy having crazy ass.

I love how you think the dumbest people in the world have the most ingeniously diabolical plans ever. how you rationalize this diametrically inverse circumstance in your mind is a feat of human cognition and you should be rewarded.

Mr. Negative - You didn't even bother to visit 911truth.org before posting your ignorant comment.

It's people like you that allow your own government to decide your fate. Hitler had the same idea... Hitler was a democratically elected leader, just like Bush. Like I said, it actually takes some effort to come to an informed conclusion.

"It takes an educated mind to entertain a thought before accepting it." Aristotle

Aristotle is perhaps humankind's first original philosopher and free thinker, so consider how old and ingrained that simple pearl of wisdom should be. I hope you didn't have to go your thesaurus for inverse circumstance and cognition.

you really shouldn't believe what anyone tells you either way. you should look into it yourself and gather facts. if you're American it's your obligation to, no matter where in the country you live this was an attack on all of us. jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough melt steel. the steel support beams were found cut at perfect angles just as done in demolition, the buildings fell into themselves, just as in demolition. what about building 7? how did a smaller building that was't hit topple in on itself ? just look into it-cheney, rumsfeld and the bush family continually come up in every aspect of this horrible, horrible event. the facts point to them being very much involved in the murder of thousands of American citizens.

Mr. Negative,
I know, the Bush Administration is still painted by the left as the biggest bunch of morons of all time, yet was so so absolutely genius that they were able to perfectly orchestrate live in front of the world this illusion of Copperfield proportions with dozens of cameras capturing every moment and pulled it all off without a hitch? The "truthers" can't have it both ways. Bush was either an idiot or a genius mastermind. Which is it?

"If you notice in the red circle we drew on the video here, the angle of the "plane", really a missile, shows that it was detonated right before impact blah blah blah"

We've all seen those conspiracy claims and seen all the "truth "videos a million times before. Not one top anti-Bush government official with any real credibility has stepped forward and said, "Here's really what happened, and we have concrete proof." Why is that?

Oh, and things like Bush= Hitler comparisons is why we can't take any of it seriously.





Can you post some of these facts for us, please? Maybe we'll learn something we may not have known before.

jasonx - Just go to 911truth.org. What are you afraid of... That your fantasies are challenged by people so much more informed than you?

"The greater the lie, the greater the chance it will be believed." Adolf Hitler

Condesecending remarks, Hitler quotes, and "Peer pressure" dare tactics = a surefire way to turn off people from whatever product you're peddling. So, no thanks.

But I am still waiting for an answer as to why these groundbreaking iron-clad "Inside Job!" facts haven't been plastered all over the world news yet? The liberal media would still do anything to bury Bush, and this would obviously do it. Why have they been sitting on this story for all these years?

jasonx - I don't eat at places owned by retards either.

You actually think news is free in the US? News is controlled, just like it is in China. News is about money, not information... Money is about control. Information is about ideas and free thinking - the same things Hitler tried to supress with his infamous book burnings.

Of course, from your perpsective, you can freely condemn China, but to speak out in the good old USA, it's like burning the flag isn't it?

911truth.org is like a whole new religion to the close-minded. I never said the world is perfect. But I believe it is up to each and every one of us to make an informed decision.

Just like you, I was shocked at the events of 9/11. I wanted somebody to pay. But interestingly enough as I saw the war in Iraq unfold, not one reason Colin Powell and hs cronies used to back up why they went there has held up.

Is it really that difficult to do some research before coming to conclusions fed to you by the media?

over opinionated virgins........ all of you!

American peoples are victim of thier own rullers - fact! Entire world know that, except real fucked ones

Jimmy Johnson, I support you fully because seems to me you're the only person who challenges the accepted norm and that I respect. Though I'm not an American but it pains me nevertheless to see the American people being subjugated to misinformation and blatant lies. I accept we may never know the complete truth (including the truth about what hit Pentagon). My suggestion, dont waste your effort trying to convince the "crowd". They belong where they stand. Their thoughts or actions will not have an impact on anything. Find solace in this and keep walking.

tigerbc - i believe the truth will come out through one simple experiment. I hope it will happen in our lifetime....

The WTC Towers were built in 1970. As steel and concrete skyscrapers that were built in that era age, they will need to be demolished for new construction projects just like Las Vegas. The construction techniques used to build WTC are not confined to just one or two buildings. Skyscrapers were built all over the US between 1965 - 1980 using steel form construction.

For TV ratings, or whatever reason, a similar building can be demolished under the exact same conditions that 'supposedly' brought WTC down. The we will see how these building fall to prove or disprove all WTC theories - for all time.

only 1 and simple question, why ?
however the causes and ideals are the noblest possible, there is nothing to justify this act of terrorism, NOTHING

thats a sad day for america

Wow...

Whether it was an inside job or terrorists is not the point. The point is that this could have been prevented with simple, practical untity. The U.S. government, the terrorists, the anarchists, every fanatical religion and espesially every large company, organization, government and system based on profit are to blame for this because these people have created a patern of hate, destruction, and war. It's a tragety that these people, like trillions over ages, have lived and died in vien for the financial and social gain of the one's they, we, call leaders. The only solution is a new beginning. If only there was a way to filter out the horror that is the people who ruin this beautiful existance we call humanity.

Thanks Bush! Just the USA people don't see the truth.
Two towers going down, without bending.
If you do believe in this story, so you have to admit that you believe in Santa Claus, Jesus Christ and other fairy tales.
C'mon, open you eyes!
Do you know how much money you can do by creating a war?
Where's Osama Bin Laden?
They want you to believe that USA Forces are unable to find a crazy terrorist?
Thats what I, a brazilian citizen, think about it.

PS.: Sorry for my bad english writing.

Wow.....people really suck. One of the saddest days in US history and here you assholes fight about it. Get over yourselves and your theories.

hmmmm

I agree with Patty

These people fighting over thier meaningless little theories here have missed the entire point

It doesn't really fucking matter who's technically responsible at this point either- those who were killed in this tragedy are already dead and they're not coming back based on who's fault the attack was.

aw please, history is full with the same BS... why aren't you wondering if it COULD be another false flag op ? nooo, it sure is safer to not think about it.

Random - Let me get this straight. You're knocking people here that have something to say about 9/11... And they're missing the point?

Are you fucking serious? Since we can't bring people back from the dead, the only thing that matters is finding out whio is "technically" responsible. I hope talking out of your ass isn't your day job.

Lets see which is the most dangerous country in the world?????

Who has used atomic weapons in anger??? Twice????

Hmmm only one I can think of....... the good old US of A

welcome to the real world..

In the UK we have lived under the threat of terrorism for years thanks to the IRA paid for paid for and supported by quite a few Irish Americans including the Oscar winning actor Mickey Rourke.....didn`t you know he even had/has a tattoo showing his support for them....

And who decided to make you the world police??????

Hmmmm Cuba???? Tell me why couldn`t the Russians have nukes there??? You lot have them in Europe pointing at them!!!


arseholes the lot of you

Meh, at least we don't use silly words like "arse".

Stick,

Something tells me you don`t even know what it is.

uneducated yanks that can`t even spell simple words!!!

Incredible that such an amount of people can speak about politics and basic racism in place of the sadness of the act . Bush or not ...think about the families ...

Incredible that such an amount of people can speak about politics and basic racism in place of the sadness of the act . Bush or not ...think about the families ...

Whoo Glad to be Canadian!

I`m sure the Canadians have done something wrong!!! lol

Look at Celine Dion!!!! you bastards, you could have kept her for yourselfs!!!

Hors vs. Set, You and I both!

lol Celine Dion should be shot,... We all think this so, Las Vegas can have her,.. And yes I'm a Canuck so I am technically allowed to say that,... On the original topic though,... It

My genius is too much for this thread,,... It cut me off at it

wtf???

1) Jimmy Johnson, Without definitive evidence, this cannot be stated as fact, regardless of any possibility.
2) jasonx, Bush was a figurehead. President's seldom make any decisions without consulting advisers, who are considered experts & therefore said opinions are given considerable weight.
3) Jimmy Johnson While your point is valid, your wording supports jasonx's ""Peer pressure dare tactics" comment.
4) Jimmy johnson No disagreement here; I just wanted to reaffirm for those who may not realize: Your evening news does not exist because the government wants to keep you informed - it exists because Neilson says people will watch, so advertisers buy spots. And the news you actually get to see? Investigate for yourself the political affiliations of the operators of "fair and balanced" Fox News (Yes, I'm being sarcastic).
5) Jimmy Johnson One simple experiment will not prove anything. Not all conditions can be reproduced exactly, and even if they could, that does not conclusively prove that's what happened on 9/11.
6) Elightened Unfortunately, that horror is part of the human psyche; we will never be able to filter it out entirely without filtering out people themselves from this beautiful planet.
7) Joao Pedro Yes, wars do create money; it seems that many US citizens aren't aware of their own history and the bullshit politicians have used against the public to wage wars in the past. For those interested in a specific provable example, google/wiki the Mexican American war & pay special attention to the methods used to garner public support.

As for my own opinion on the subject, I do think there is enough evidence to support an investigation. But without one, this falls under "argument from ignorance". Before I get flamed, please R&U that term.
And while I'm at it, I think the best way to garner support for a specific view is to provide information, or access to that information. Simply stating"this is fact", or "you are wrong", does nothing to sway anyone's opinion.

Bush did it

bored at work - I disagree with several points you've made...

1. There is difinitive evidence, if you care to look and do your own research. That's why I keep repeating myself for disbelievers to visit 911truth.org.

2. The skyscraper collapse experiment holds validity in the sense we can measure whether it can collapse at free-fall speed as WTC did. Or whether the skyscraper demolished can actually fall into it's own footprint like WTC, instead of pancaking or toppling over.

3. Whether the impact alone could cause the structure to collapse. There have been other incidents of plane crashes and fires in skyscrapers with steel form construction in other parts of the world and they did not collapse. So this condition alone, is telling.

4. It cost $500 million (adjusted dollars) to build WTC Towers in 1970. By 2000, WTC Towers required more than a billion dollars in upgrades and maintenance costs. Tell me if that isn't a damn good reason to just demolish them? Didn't the lease holder of the property end up with a huge insurance settlement? Condo construction projects go up in flames under auspicous circumstances for shady developers to cash in on the insurance. Why is this not a possibilty for WTC Towers?

OMG!! You are so full of crap!

All these arguments are pointing to one thing. WE NEED ANSWERS. Not from the U.S. government but from all the governments of the world. Chaos is coming. And people WE OUT NUMBER THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS BY THE MILLIONS. Ever seen the movie a bugs life?

picklini, I hope you do not think that it is bad to have a b'day on 9/11 there were many examples of incredible acts of kindness bravery and sacrifice. Think of that on your birthday



I am glad to see all of you debating with opinions facts and theory as opposed to empty banter or just dumb ass smiley faces and the like.

I am not kidding there were some very good points made by all. My take on 9/11 is that there is more to the story than 2 planes hitting and the towers fall. Someone planted explosives to take the towers out. I have no idea who. It could have been our government to get the public behind a war that defense companies were going to make billions on. It could have been the terrorists and it was covered up to avoid a panic or to keep our security measures and the ones that are responsible for national security from looking like they lost control of our borders and those who infiltrate them.

Jimmy Johnson,
1) I have visited 911truth, and I stand by my statement - I found no definitive evidence that it was an inside job. Care to provide a single one?
2-3) I understand that there are various things we can measure & compare against what happened to the towers, but you miss the point: One experiment does not prove anything- and many only suggest correlation, not causation. Just because it rained the day after I washed my car does not mean washing my car causes rain- even if it happens every time.
4) The so-called terrorists also had a motive; supplying an alternative motive scenario does not make any other motive less viable.

wikipedia:


The irony here, Jimmy, is that I fully agree that there are plenty of suspicious facts and circumstances that would raise the eyebrows of any reasonable person. However, the best you've done is provide a link to a website of people who share the same view. Isn't that like telling someone who doesn't believe in god to "just read the bible"?

bored at work - You obviously only took a cursory look at 911truth.org as if that would somehow provide some ephinany that would leap off the screen to claw your eyeballs out. I only provide that ONE site as an example. There are hundreds of sites challenging 9/11. Typical...

There is a seperate petition on 911.org signed by civil, structural, and other engineers that have provided their vast experience and analysis to contradict the way the WTC Towers fell.. I'm sure you took a good look at the evidence presented.

We're not talking about rain... So to suggest a contolled demolition of a structure with similar constuction, under the same circumstances won't yield quantifiable evidence is ludicrous.

You're right... The so called terrorists did have a motive. MONEY. Huge sums of it by waging war for the Miitary Industrial Complex. There is no viable industry in the US except for weapons. If you think the US auto industry is doing so great, then go ask for your refund.

Nothing else except food, and industry related to it's production, is being made in the US... It's too easy to get a 10 year old in some Asian backwater slum to assemble running shoes or computer parts than to pay union wages in the US. God forbid, that would triple the cost and piss off the shareholders.

I can see this discussion is really just going to end up being a pissing match, so I'll leave it to your own devices (and level of comprehension) to see the events of 9/11 the way you want to - through rose colored glasses.